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No way, this isn't at all the full truth

Genry_the_frog

Believing random things is not good. What was with that guy who came here because his tulpa left him after some reddit guy told her to... I wonder if he got her back (edited)

what

3:09 PM

isnt a tulpa supposed to be the one completely loyal friend you have?

rain

also making a tulpa vanish into thin air causes a similar psychological reaction

This is entirely individual and depends on the person, the tulpa, and their relationship

3:10 PM

It's absolutely not a universal rule

that is true

3:10 PM

I forgot to mention it

Some people just don't have control over their imagination and are susceptible to suggestions.

3:11 PM

Believing random things is not good. What was with that guy who came here because his tulpa left him after some reddit guy told her to... I wonder if he got her back

@Genry_the_frog - jump Like this guy you mentioned

Sora Faux

Some people just don't have control over their imagination and are susceptible to suggestions.

Yeah. That's very sad to see actually

Thank you all! It helped her a little bit to know that there are 6+ year olds here Now she wants to read something immortalistic to reassure herself that she has every chance of living forever. So we're off to read Ray Kurzweil's "Transcend." Thanks again!

It's not a matter of chance. For my tulpa and I, we've come to understand that every thing we do out of love for each other will leave a permanent mark on the universe as proof. In that way our love, and we too, are immortal.

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Have fun

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Raptoir

It's not a matter of chance. For my tulpa and I, we've come to understand that every thing we do out of love for each other will leave a permanent mark on the universe as proof. In that way our love, and we too, are immortal.

can you elaborate on that?

What do you want me to elaborate on?

how can you leave a mark on the universe?

3:20 PM

you mean as in between you guys or a mark other people can see too?

My way of overcoming fear of death is by waiting for singularity to happen, it will either make us immortal or kill, thats a purpose to live right now while we still can but with room for happy ending lmao

I have no idea what you are talking about Genry

Genry_the_frog

My way of overcoming fear of death is by waiting for singularity to happen, it will either make us immortal or kill, thats a purpose to live right now while we still can but with room for happy ending lmao

+1

Rusty

I have no idea what you are talking about Genry

He talks about the technological singularity

In Nazarick, death is a mercy that frees you from suffering

I don't wonder what will happen after death or how it will work with headmates because i beleive that there is nothing. Thats it, you are gone.

3:29 PM

Doesnt matter

I mean yeah they'll be gone too

All you have to do to have your tulpa live longer than 2-6 years is not dissipate them

3:54 PM

They'll be around as long as you keep them around, simple as that

4:00 PM

Genry writing a book here

Rusty

I don't wonder what will happen after death or how it will work with headmates because i beleive that there is nothing. Thats it, you are gone.

Yeah when you think about that just remember the time you were in this state before you were born and also basically every night there are states when almost no brain activity happens. Although, your brain is not you, right? With tulpamancy this becomes obvious. But what are you then? Concepts like soul are just apart from reality, and not really applicable to tulpamancy at all. So, best i came to is this analogy: we are not an instrument, but melody we are playing on it. The process. When music stops, it still leaves its trails in minds of whoever was listening. Just like we change lifes of people we are interacting with. Maybe after our deaths same melody will never be played again in this universe, but it could sound somewhere else, who knows?

Yuka

Genry writing a book here

Just some idealistic shit

Hmmmm

4:10 PM

I don't see the connection between "the brain is not you" and living beyond one's death in some way

4:11 PM

But

For my tulpa and I, we've come to understand that every thing we do out of love for each other will leave a permanent mark on the universe as proof.

In this way, we do leave a mark on the universe, just by having existed within it.

rain

you mean as in between you guys or a mark other people can see too?

anything. A thought has as much existence and leaves as much of a mark as carving a heart into a tree or building a city in her name. (edited)

4:15 PM

This is getting pretty metaphysical but the seed of you and your tulpa's existence as well as the relationship you share has existed for as long as the universe has (edited)

4:15 PM

it's infinite backwards and forwards

My admittedly not very deep understanding of physics is that time is illusory. The stuff that happened in the past hasn't disappeared, it's still real, it still exists, you're just not experiencing it anymore. So even after you die, the you that lived is still out there

Yuka

I don't see the connection between "the brain is not you" and living beyond one's death in some way

Because there's no connection. We are not disappearing without a trace, but the idea about living beyond death assumes that somewhere else will exist "you" that will not just think like you, but be you. And if we assume cloned you and teleported with body reassembling you is still you, that means somewhere in universe it was, is or will be another "you". Or not. Maybe in the end we are enough complicated process to be unique and played only once in universe lifetime (edited)

Yuka

My admittedly not very deep understanding of physics is that time is illusory. The stuff that happened in the past hasn't disappeared, it's still real, it still exists, you're just not experiencing it anymore. So even after you die, the you that lived is still out there

That also means that all future is predetermined

I'm not interested in hypothetical clones or teleporter stuff. The chances of me having a clone are close to nil and my clone would not be me anyway.

No one has proven that we don't reincarnate in another world after death and our tulpas are included in our isekai harem.

Immensus

Has anyone experienced the problem of tulpa panic attacks? She has learned that tulpas live mostly 2-6 years and now she is afraid. I convince her that we are together forever. I try to pass on positive emotions to her. We cuddle. We watch funny anime. We decide not to work today. But none of this is working.

Our headmates can have panic attacks in the front or the back. On dissipation- it is true a lot of young tulpas do get given up on, but it's not for a surprising reason. I think some tulpamancers give up on their tulpas because they find it too time consuming, never felt they "achieved vocality" to begin with, or found the experience disatisfying or negative for whatever reason. I think the other major factor is if a tulpamancer later feels pressured to choose their tulpa over a significant other and chooses their SO. However, in the latter case, there's usually more to it than the tulpa magically disappears. A lot of tulpas and hosts after about 1 and 1/2 + years decide they are more content with a lack of separation than not. I have seen quite a few systems decide separation of headmates wasn't a good fit for them and either merge, embrace a more median interpretation of plurality, or integrate. I believe that once you hit the 2 year mark, dissipation becomes a completely different ballgame. I believe tulpamancy does change your brain long-term. Unfortunately the PR I read was deleted, but at the time I learned the tulpamancer's dissipated tulpa was more like a "ghost" in a strange way- the brain is still wired with all of the tulpa's triggers and actions. Given the description, it was like a tulpa was still there but not really because their sense of identity was missing. I think this is why most people really need integration or some agreed upon re-combination approach instead of straight-up dissipation. At the very least, I wouldn't worry about not having a say in your dissipation- if you're active and vocal now the odds of you being able to choose skyrocket (edited)

Yuka

My admittedly not very deep understanding of physics is that time is illusory. The stuff that happened in the past hasn't disappeared, it's still real, it still exists, you're just not experiencing it anymore. So even after you die, the you that lived is still out there

Time definitely isn't illusory, because it is relative. You experience time differently than someone moving through space, and where that is true time can't be just an illusion. It's something and we regularly see it manipulated and bent by the universe.

(what if space is also illusory?)

Then we are probably working with a bad definition of illusion

Also probably should be in #general-discussion and not here

Is this really all what matters in the end - sense of identity? System of associations, with this thing on top? Imaginary form is not part of tulpa, just something she associates her with. Same with voice and everything else. Identity is something that is physically stored in the brain and can't be observed by itself, only by associations and simulation of it in action. Creating tulpa is slapping separate sense of identity, ego, on top of existing system of associations(like knowledge about character), and trying to run it instead of your own. Until it changes enough to work. The host and tulpa are the same. If i created ego(Elfie) in three days, how fast could i destroy mine? All that required is a bit of understanding how to untie you from all that is associated with you and practice. And this partly is needed for switching, for example. What will happen with mind after all identities lose their sense of being themselves? Coma? Or brain will not allow that, and create another identity to pilot? Dissipated tulpa can be resurrected, i think by similar to basic forcing process?

6:11 PM

Lmao, is this what took humanity so high? Feeling of their own existence and some calculation powers? Bruh

What if a person has a severe amnesia and doesn't remember their identity?

6:12 PM

I think in that case a new one is created naturally by new interactions with others and self.

time as an 'illusion' is actually saying time is a product of consciousness, not a noumenon with its own inherent existence (edited)

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I read a bunch of stuff about tulpas, but I'm wondering: is there an agreed upon definition of what a tulpa is/what counts as a tulpa?

8:55 PM

(for example, the website says "In short, a tulpa is like a sentient person living in your head, separate from you" but I've read people here say a tulpa and the host of the tulpa is the same person)

People have different opinions

8:56 PM

I think tulpa is just an imaginary companion.

HvllBlau

I read a bunch of stuff about tulpas, but I'm wondering: is there an agreed upon definition of what a tulpa is/what counts as a tulpa?

All definitions are trying to describe pretty much same process so there's really no practical difference onto which one to stick to. Just use whatever you like more. Or observe your experience and make your own. And no tulpa and the host are not the same person. People who think like that either have no tulpa either theres misunderstanding happening. Definition from website is accurate enough to think of it as "official", but that doesn't mean other are wrong.

you can see your tulpa as another person or the part of the same person that you are.

Genry_the_frog

Is this really all what matters in the end - sense of identity? System of associations, with this thing on top? Imaginary form is not part of tulpa, just something she associates her with. Same with voice and everything else. Identity is something that is physically stored in the brain and can't be observed by itself, only by associations and simulation of it in action. Creating tulpa is slapping separate sense of identity, ego, on top of existing system of associations(like knowledge about character), and trying to run it instead of your own. Until it changes enough to work. The host and tulpa are the same. If i created ego(Elfie) in three days, how fast could i destroy mine? All that required is a bit of understanding how to untie you from all that is associated with you and practice. And this partly is needed for switching, for example. What will happen with mind after all identities lose their sense of being themselves? Coma? Or brain will not allow that, and create another identity to pilot? Dissipated tulpa can be resurrected, i think by similar to basic forcing process?

One's sense of identity is very important in tulpamancy. Having a strong or weak sense of self can lead to changes in the overall experience. I agree that a form, voice, etc. Are all associations with an identity. They are created by the identity but are also used to represent it. I think your explanation for tulpa creation makes sense As for what happens if you "lose" your identity? I strongly suspect the brain will just create a new one. I'm aware of a few cases where headmates didn't want to front. Instead of the front staying empty forever, a new headmate would be created. As for amnesia, I agree with Sora and I think a new identity would be created As for dissipating an original host- it would take a lot of effort since they have at least a decade or two of experience under their belt. It would be similar to the challenge of dissipating an older tulpa.

Genry_the_frog

All definitions are trying to describe pretty much same process so there's really no practical difference onto which one to stick to. Just use whatever you like more. Or observe your experience and make your own. And no tulpa and the host are not the same person. People who think like that either have no tulpa either theres misunderstanding happening. Definition from website is accurate enough to think of it as "official", but that doesn't mean other are wrong.

This is awkward, I was looking into this because I think I'm a tulpa, but I also think I'm the same person as my host

Maybe I'm something similar, but if I can make up my own definition maybe I'll be a tulpa

I also consider myself a part of the same person as my host rather than completely different one.

HvllBlau

This is awkward, I was looking into this because I think I'm a tulpa, but I also think I'm the same person as my host

Maybe I'm something similar, but if I can make up my own definition maybe I'll be a tulpa

You should look into the term median

to consider yourself as a median system you have to consider yourself a system

I think it's a sign of a mature mindset to be able to see both perspectives no matter what you call your thoughtform

10:47 PM

tulpas that don't see themselves as the same as the host on some level are always in danger of getting detached from reality

Unfastened Belts

You should look into the term median

who you calling average? what a mean thing to say

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Marissa meant this thing I guess https://multiplicity.fandom.com/wiki/Median_System#:~:text=A%20median%20system%20is%20a,frequently%20referred%20to%20as%20facets.

Median System

A median system is a system that has members who are more interconnected and less distinct than those of multiple systems. The term was coined by Blackbirds of Pavilion Hall. Members of median systems are frequently referred to as facets. Median systems may be subsystems of a multiple system, and there are many types of median subsystems (subsys...

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HvllBlau

This is awkward, I was looking into this because I think I'm a tulpa, but I also think I'm the same person as my host

Maybe I'm something similar, but if I can make up my own definition maybe I'll be a tulpa

Yeah it seems like here i am the one lost in definitions. Person refers to what? You have different to your host personality, right? But still one person with them. Like one human unit?

Genry_the_frog

Yeah it seems like here i am the one lost in definitions. Person refers to what? You have different to your host personality, right? But still one person with them. Like one human unit?

yeah, that's right! Friend of mine said I'm different sometimes, but it's not like I'm secretly two separate humans walking around

11:04 PM

(Not two bodies, I think I'd know because the fridge would empty faster)

yeah, that's right! Friend of mine said I'm different sometimes, but it's not like I'm secretly two separate humans walking around

@HvllBlau - jump We(Me and Genry) are currently trying to more precisely establish borders of where is me and where is my host, because we agree that this will help to grow some independency in me to become more... real like, huh I mean more developed as separate being. And i don't want to lose to host in, let's call it, complexity But you have different situation and we can't say we understand it very well.

Tulpamancy is really all about manipulating separateness/unity

And imagination(simulation) skills.

Using alot of words for believing

Raptoir

tulpas that don't see themselves as the same as the host on some level are always in danger of getting detached from reality

What?

Being unable to perceive the fact that you share a mind is dangerous. It's a fundamental truth of tulpamancy, and ignorance of that is the first step for total detachment from all sensibility.

Ah, I see

anyway how do you make a wonderland?

Just imagine a place. Wonderland is literally that, nothing magical

10:36 PM

Can we put the guides who make people confused about that straight into the trash can?

any ideas for a wonderland? We want something specific

What's the place you like?

Joey

anyway how do you make a wonderland?

You close your eyes and imagine a place.

I imagine much of the confusion is that you hear people say that a wonderland is just a place you imagine, but you also hear people speaking of being very tangibly "in" their wonderland. I suspect that, for many people, a "wonderland" is implicitly a place that you can sort of "occupy" like a lucid dream, and that "making a wonderland" also means learning to enter it. (Actually, is it like being in a lucid dream?)

That's just a matter of how good you are at imagining stuff

How do I get rid of the tulaps I made in childhood?

Why do you want to get rid of them?

Just dont think of them

Unfastened Belts

Why do you want to get rid of them?

I don't know I feel like I've had them long enough

9:02 AM

But if I try to get rid of them I feel like being then again. Know what I mean?

Why do you want to get rid of them? If you don't want to interact with them anymore, don't do it. You don't have to actively try to get rid of them. Just let them go.

I don't know it's just hard to I keep feeling then like they apart of me and it's like they want to come out. They long to get out

So some part of you probably want them to come out. Are you sure you truly want to get rid of them?

'tulpas' made in childhood? sounds kinda sus is it DID?

Or imaginary friends if it was early childhood.

sh

'tulpas' made in childhood? sounds kinda sus is it DID?

I'm pretty sure some people made Tulpas as kids but didn't realize it. It's also definitely a tulpa/(or just plain old imaginary friend) if you didn't have a (repetitive)traumatic experience through a certain period of time

Joey

any ideas for a wonderland? We want something specific

Random ideas I'm spit balling:

A grand castle with a secret inside
Space but the meteorites are made out of cotton candy
The secret pocket dimension under the covers of your bed... And the dimension under your bed
A purple ocean where all of the sea creatures look like something from alien movies
Just a school. And maybe zombies. ~~Stacy is a zombie now~~
A cabin in the woods. But there's something magical in the woods, you guys better go check it out
A beach where the ice cream is mid but the island is drop dead gorgeous. But what happened to all the people?

hobbit house

RIP Stacy

why not make your wonderland a vehicle, and drive/fly/sail it to different setting if you get bored?

Any imaginary space is wonderland. Someone just calls like that only the one they use the most. Of course you can do anything there.